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boundary="001a1142e7548d73010556f58604" 0124 X-BeenThere: kde-community@kde.org 0125 X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 0126 Precedence: list 0127 Reply-To: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics 0128 <kde-community@kde.org> 0129 List-Id: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics 0130 <kde-community.kde.org> 0131 List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/options/kde-community>, 0132 <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=unsubscribe> 0133 List-Archive: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/> 0134 List-Post: <mailto:kde-community@kde.org> 0135 List-Help: <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=help> 0136 List-Subscribe: <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community>, 0137 <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=subscribe> 0138 Errors-To: kde-community-bounces@kde.org 0139 Sender: "kde-community" <kde-community-bounces@kde.org> 0140 0141 --001a1142e7548d73010556f58604 0142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 0143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 0144 0145 On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> wrote= 0146 : 0147 0148 > 0149 > On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote: 0150 > 0151 > Hi, 0152 > 0153 > On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> 0154 > wrote: 0155 > 0156 > Hi Valorie, 0157 > Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does n= 0158 ot 0159 > 0160 > align with the values we communicate to our users: 0161 > Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we'= 0162 re 0163 > 0164 > striving to make privacy our USP. 0165 > 0166 > 0167 > We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believ= 0168 e 0169 > this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that 0170 > privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our 0171 > vision that we should do this. 0172 > 0173 > 0174 > The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I 0175 > don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their p= 0176 rivacy is 0177 > perfectly safe before they freak out. 0178 > Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over 0179 > things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal. 0180 > It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments 0181 > 0182 > 0183 =E2=80=8BIt's hard to argue here or generalize to all app's communities. Kr= 0184 ita 0185 community for example is different than gcc community in these aspects. 0186 0187 --=20 0188 regards, Jaroslaw Staniek 0189 0190 KDE: 0191 : A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators 0192 : and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org 0193 Calligra Suite: 0194 : A graphic art and office suite - http://calligra.org 0195 Kexi: 0196 : A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi 0197 Qt Certified Specialist: 0198 : http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek 0199 0200 --001a1142e7548d73010556f58604 0201 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" 0202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 0203 0204 <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= 0205 e,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div = 0206 class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <span dir= 0207 =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">t= 0208 homas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_= 0209 quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1= 0210 ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=3D""><blockquo= 0211 te type=3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <<a h= 0212 ref=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">mirko@kde.org</a>> wrote:= 0213 </div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newline"><div><d= 0214 iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi,=C2=A0<div><br><div><blockquote type= 0215 =3D"cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <<a href=3D"ma= 0216 ilto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target=3D"_blank">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>= 0217 > wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newli= 0218 ne"><div><span style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style= 0219 :normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;t= 0220 ext-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word= 0221 -spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Hi Valorie,</span><br sty= 0222 le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia= 0223 nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te= 0224 xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa= 0225 n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-= 0226 variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta= 0227 rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;= 0228 float:none;display:inline!important">Even if opt-out for some data is legal= 0229 ly and even morally fine, it does not<span class=3D"m_-9083494930210199564A= 0230 pple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Re= 0231 gular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight= 0232 :normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfo= 0233 rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Men= 0234 lo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-w= 0235 eight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tr= 0236 ansform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!= 0237 important">align with the values we communicate to our users:</span><br sty= 0238 le=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-varia= 0239 nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te= 0240 xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><spa= 0241 n style=3D"font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-= 0242 variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta= 0243 rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;= 0244 float:none;display:inline!important">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Visi= 0245 on mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span class=3D"m_-908349493021= 0246 0199564Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span></span><br style=3D"font-family:= 0247 Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;fon= 0248 t-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text= 0249 -transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-fa= 0250 mily:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:norma= 0251 l;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px= 0252 ;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display= 0253 :inline!important">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br style=3D"fon= 0254 t-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:n= 0255 ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent= 0256 :0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></block= 0257 quote><br></div><div>We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry an= 0258 d privacy. I believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemet= 0259 ry in a way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it foll= 0260 ows from our vision that we should do this.</div><div><br></div></div></div= 0261 ></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>The problem is: I expect users to= 0262 have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to exp= 0263 lain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they fre= 0264 ak out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in th= 0265 e past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.</div><d= 0266 iv>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments</div><br></div></block= 0267 quote></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace= 0268 ,monospace;font-size:small">=E2=80=8BIt's hard to argue here or general= 0269 ize to all app's communities. Krita community for example is different = 0270 than gcc community in these aspects.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class= 0271 =3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">regards, Jaroslaw S= 0272 taniek<br><br>KDE:<br>: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists= 0273 , writers, translators<br>: and facilitators committed to Free Software dev= 0274 elopment - <a href=3D"http://kde.org" target=3D"_blank">http://kde.org</a><= 0275 br>Calligra Suite:<br>: A graphic art and office suite - <a href=3D"http://= 0276 calligra.org" target=3D"_blank">http://calligra.org</a><br>Kexi:<br>: A vis= 0277 ual database apps builder - <a href=3D"http://calligra.org/kexi" target=3D"= 0278 _blank">http://calligra.org/kexi</a><br>Qt Certified Specialist:<br>: <a hr= 0279 ef=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lin= 0280 kedin.com/in/jstaniek</a></div> 0281 </div></div> 0282 0283 --001a1142e7548d73010556f58604--