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0136
0137 > On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> wrote:
0138 >=20
0139 > Hi,=20
0140 >=20
0141 >> On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org =
0142 <mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org>> wrote:
0143 >>=20
0144 >> Hi Valorie,
0145 >> Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it =
0146 does not=20
0147 >> align with the values we communicate to our users:
0148 >> Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and =
0149 we're=20
0150 >> striving to make privacy our USP.
0151 >=20
0152 > We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I =
0153 believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a =
0154 way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows =
0155 from our vision that we should do this.
0156 >=20
0157
0158 The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I =
0159 don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to users that actually their =
0160 privacy is perfectly safe before they freak out.
0161 Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over =
0162 things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.
0163 It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational arguments
0164
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0171 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
0172 charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
0173 -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
0174 class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
0175 class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <<a =
0176 href=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" class=3D"">mirko@kde.org</a>> =
0177 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
0178 http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dus-ascii" =
0179 class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
0180 space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi, <div =
0181 class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
0182 class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer =
0183 <<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" =
0184 class=3D"">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>> wrote:</div><br =
0185 class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
0186 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
0187 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
0188 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
0189 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
0190 float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi =
0191 Valorie,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
0192 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
0193 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
0194 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
0195 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
0196 Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
0197 normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
0198 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
0199 word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
0200 inline !important;" class=3D"">Even if opt-out for some data is legally =
0201 and even morally fine, it does not<span =
0202 class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
0203 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
0204 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
0205 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
0206 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
0207 class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
0208 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
0209 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
0210 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
0211 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
0212 !important;" class=3D"">align with the values we communicate to our =
0213 users:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
0214 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
0215 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
0216 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
0217 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
0218 Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
0219 normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
0220 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
0221 word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: =
0222 inline !important;" class=3D"">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision =
0223 mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span =
0224 class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br =
0225 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
0226 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
0227 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
0228 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
0229 class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; =
0230 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
0231 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
0232 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
0233 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
0234 !important;" class=3D"">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br =
0235 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: =
0236 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
0237 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
0238 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
0239 class=3D""></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We =
0240 seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe =
0241 this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that =
0242 privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our =
0243 vision that we should do this.</div><div class=3D""><br =
0244 class=3D""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
0245 class=3D""></div>The problem is: I expect users to have the same =
0246 knee-jerk reaction. I don=E2=80=99t see us being able to explain to =
0247 users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they freak =
0248 out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in =
0249 the past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge =
0250 deal.</div><div>It=E2=80=99s emotion more than rational =
0251 arguments</div><br class=3D""></body></html>=
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