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0114 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:38:52 -0700 (PDT) 0115 From: Mirko Boehm - KDE <mirko@kde.org> 0116 Message-Id: <B95D7D2A-23A9-4245-AAC0-8A3FAE330090@kde.org> 0117 Content-Type: multipart/signed; 0118 boundary="Apple-Mail=_1637D59B-BBA3-401E-A7A5-3514665481AD"; 0119 protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 0120 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) 0121 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:38:52 +0200 0122 Subject: Re: Telemetry Policy 0123 In-Reply-To: <5231282.Ch11jfsTMl@lenovo> 0124 To: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics 0125 <kde-community@kde.org> 0126 References: <2048912.XfIJe3ZSdj@vkpc5> <2990543.KVDkBByYO0@minixfox> 0127 <CACpu024EH1OeDqwL94QK33eq4sCGjKjwedcQDR_PWjprBevzfg@mail.gmail.com> 0128 <5231282.Ch11jfsTMl@lenovo> 0129 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) 0130 X-BeenThere: kde-community@kde.org 0131 X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 0132 Precedence: list 0133 Reply-To: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics 0134 <kde-community@kde.org> 0135 List-Id: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics 0136 <kde-community.kde.org> 0137 List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/options/kde-community>, 0138 <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=unsubscribe> 0139 List-Archive: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/> 0140 List-Post: <mailto:kde-community@kde.org> 0141 List-Help: <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=help> 0142 List-Subscribe: <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community>, 0143 <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=subscribe> 0144 Errors-To: kde-community-bounces@kde.org 0145 Sender: "kde-community" <kde-community-bounces@kde.org> 0146 0147 0148 --Apple-Mail=_1637D59B-BBA3-401E-A7A5-3514665481AD 0149 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 0150 boundary="Apple-Mail=_F49D9C7A-5DFA-4D78-8758-C0DB8C98E040" 0151 0152 0153 --Apple-Mail=_F49D9C7A-5DFA-4D78-8758-C0DB8C98E040 0154 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 0155 Content-Type: text/plain; 0156 charset=us-ascii 0157 0158 Hi, 0159 0160 > On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org> = 0161 wrote: 0162 >=20 0163 > Hi Valorie, 0164 > Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it = 0165 does not 0166 > align with the values we communicate to our users: 0167 > Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and = 0168 we're 0169 > striving to make privacy our USP. 0170 0171 We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I = 0172 believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a = 0173 way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows = 0174 from our vision that we should do this. 0175 0176 Cheers, 0177 0178 Mirko. 0179 -- 0180 Mirko Boehm | mirko@kde.org | KDE e.V. 0181 FSFE Fellowship Representative, FSFE Team Germany 0182 Qt Certified Specialist and Trainer 0183 Request a meeting: https://doodle.com/mirkoboehm 0184 0185 0186 --Apple-Mail=_F49D9C7A-5DFA-4D78-8758-C0DB8C98E040 0187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 0188 Content-Type: text/html; 0189 charset=us-ascii 0190 0191 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = 0192 charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = 0193 -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = 0194 class=3D"">Hi, <div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote = 0195 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, = 0196 Thomas Pfeiffer <<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" = 0197 class=3D"">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>> wrote:</div><br = 0198 class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span = 0199 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: = 0200 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = 0201 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = 0202 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = 0203 float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Hi = 0204 Valorie,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; = 0205 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = 0206 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = 0207 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = 0208 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = 0209 Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = 0210 normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = 0211 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = 0212 word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: = 0213 inline !important;" class=3D"">Even if opt-out for some data is legally = 0214 and even morally fine, it does not<span = 0215 class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br = 0216 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: = 0217 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = 0218 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = 0219 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" = 0220 class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; = 0221 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = 0222 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = 0223 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = 0224 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline = 0225 !important;" class=3D"">align with the values we communicate to our = 0226 users:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; = 0227 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = 0228 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = 0229 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = 0230 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = 0231 Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = 0232 normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = 0233 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = 0234 word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: = 0235 inline !important;" class=3D"">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision = 0236 mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span = 0237 class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br = 0238 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: = 0239 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = 0240 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = 0241 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" = 0242 class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; = 0243 font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = 0244 letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = 0245 text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = 0246 -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline = 0247 !important;" class=3D"">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br = 0248 style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: = 0249 normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = 0250 normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = 0251 white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" = 0252 class=3D""></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div>We seem to = 0253 assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe this is = 0254 a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that privacy = 0255 is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our vision = 0256 that we should do this.</div><div><br = 0257 class=3D""></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br = 0258 class=3D""></div><div>Mirko.</div><div class=3D""> 0259 <div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = 0260 widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = 0261 -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: = 0262 rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: = 0263 normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: = 0264 auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: = 0265 break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = 0266 after-white-space;" class=3D"">-- <br class=3D""></div><div = 0267 style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: = 0268 auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = 0269 -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Mirko Boehm | <a = 0270 href=3D"mailto:mirko@kde.org" class=3D"">mirko@kde.org</a> | KDE e.V.<br = 0271 class=3D"">FSFE Fellowship Representative, FSFE Team Germany<br = 0272 class=3D"">Qt Certified Specialist and Trainer<br class=3D"">Request a = 0273 meeting: <a href=3D"https://doodle.com/mirkoboehm" = 0274 class=3D"">https://doodle.com/mirkoboehm</a><br class=3D""></div></div> 0275 </div> 0276 0277 <br class=3D""></div></body></html>= 0278 0279 --Apple-Mail=_F49D9C7A-5DFA-4D78-8758-C0DB8C98E040-- 0280 0281 --Apple-Mail=_1637D59B-BBA3-401E-A7A5-3514665481AD 0282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 0283 Content-Disposition: attachment; 0284 filename=signature.asc 0285 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 0286 name=signature.asc 0287 Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP 0288 0289 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- 0290 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org 0291 0292 iEYEARECAAYFAlmVuIwACgkQYSSaITCTnKX82QCgxjyaXNsffHG/42ioAQrxjdCN 0293 D4kAn2Vv0q16buzjcRel1P144tLyqbr+ 0294 =muZP 0295 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 0296 0297 --Apple-Mail=_1637D59B-BBA3-401E-A7A5-3514665481AD--