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charset="UTF-8" 0120 X-BeenThere: kde-community@kde.org 0121 X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 0122 Precedence: list 0123 Reply-To: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics 0124 <kde-community@kde.org> 0125 List-Id: informing about and discussing non-technical community topics 0126 <kde-community.kde.org> 0127 List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/options/kde-community>, 0128 <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=unsubscribe> 0129 List-Archive: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/> 0130 List-Post: <mailto:kde-community@kde.org> 0131 List-Help: <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=help> 0132 List-Subscribe: <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community>, 0133 <mailto:kde-community-request@kde.org?subject=subscribe> 0134 Errors-To: kde-community-bounces@kde.org 0135 Sender: "kde-community" <kde-community-bounces@kde.org> 0136 0137 Hi all, Mozilla has done a lot of work on telemetry, and we might be 0138 able to use some of their findings. On this page: 0139 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Data_Collection they break down the 0140 data they might possibly collect into four buckets - technical (such 0141 as crashes), user interaction, web activity, and sensitive (personal 0142 data). 0143 0144 This bit might be relevant to our discussion: "Categories 1 & 2 0145 (Technical & Interaction data) 0146 Pre-Release & Release: Data may default on, provided the data is 0147 exclusively in these categories (it cannot be in any other category). 0148 In Release, an opt-out must be available for most types of Technical 0149 and Interaction data. " 0150 0151 I think the entire page might be enlightening to this discussion. I 0152 believe our analysis of needs should be more fine-grained, and that 0153 some parts of what we need can be "default on" especially for 0154 pre-release testing. For releases, we can provide an opt-out. 0155 0156 Other more sensitive data will need to be opt-in. I think it's a 0157 mistake to treat all the data we might want all in the same way. 0158 0159 Valorie 0160 0161 0162 On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Christian Loosli 0163 <christian.loosli@fuchsnet.ch> wrote: 0164 > Hi, 0165 > 0166 > thank you very much for this work, sounds great! 0167 > 0168 > Only point I have: maybe make sure that the opt-in / default settings are not 0169 > only mandatory for application developers, but also for packagers / 0170 > distributions. 0171 > 0172 > Some distributions have rather questionable views on privacy and by default 0173 > sent information to third parties, so I would feel much more safe if they 0174 > weren't allowed (in theory) to flick the switch in their package by default to 0175 > "on" either. 0176 > 0177 > Kind regards, 0178 > 0179 > Christian 0180 0181 0182 0183 -- 0184 http://about.me/valoriez